bet is obv a cbet.
I have few questions, remarks:
a) why is AKs in our prerange but not AKo?
b) I dont think bad random villains are aware of ur BU flatting range
c) assuming I am wrong with b): why should villain contibet his UTG raise
with KK here? Plz exlain. If villain, as you indirectly argue, is aware of
a wider BU calling range, and he knows that he represents a tight range.
Why should we expect a bet with nuts here? Is flop dry?
d) When you recommend call for setvalue, plz also discuss implieds from
stacks. E.g.: if effective stack is 10bb here, you’d never call for
setvalue
Marianela Henretta
December 20, 2013
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Harry Jones
December 20, 2013
Some people love to slow play their flopped sets, so if he hit kk he might
not bet. Giving up the lead is pretty suspicious, he’e either trapping or
giving up on his hand, and after such a big lead (5xbb) I would be really
worried about kk and ak. I would personally check here and avoid being
check raised, with intention to call on the turn where he might try to
bluff if he has nothing and if he does beat us then we don’t lose quite so
much
surreysteve
December 20, 2013
Basic principles OK but thats about it. “Beginners” a) Don’t always 5x
raise with top hands b) “Beginners” have no concept of ‘pot control’ (as
mentioned in video). More likely 5x raises are often used by very average
players to take a pot down with a hand they feel vulnerable eg 22-88 and
AJ. The only weak player here would appear to be the author, putting in
nearly half the pot to go set mining (12%) when a fold is obvious. Surely a
half decent example could have been constructed?
TheUSAHunter
December 20, 2013
I love you
Dani Yoksa
December 20, 2013
this means NOTHING in online poker, so many donkes and so much riegged
sites u cant read shit
TheUSAHunter
December 20, 2013
Answer: 3-bet?
Luke Bodom
December 20, 2013
It was a joke, because he’s so talented lol. Like how the commentator said
” only daniel negreanu has access to the players whole cards “. Was said in
that sort of nature.
greenbeanvideos
December 20, 2013
it is possible. the dialogue is simply to illustrate what type of thoughts
you want to be having to be a good hand reader.
riedstep
December 20, 2013
I think a check there equals kings. At least at 1 2 tables it does.
zennegen1
December 20, 2013
depending on the skill level of the player, they might realize that you
might value bet on the flop simply because they have position (this is all
assuming this is heads up play), therefore extracting more value for their
hand.
John Cope-Flanagan
December 20, 2013
Not every card, not even remotely close. He can guess the opponents cards
sometimes, he’s good at it, or just really lucky, but it’s probably like
1/100 hands he actually guesses his opponents exact hands.
10lies1stun
December 20, 2013
I do this a lot,checking the nuts has offered me way bigger pots,I like
them to re raise Eachother and I will only call,I ll re raise the river or
go all in since I know they won’t fold once they put so many chips in the
pot. After,my bluffs at river will work too since they don’t wanna get the
same bad beat like before.lol
jaredjric
December 20, 2013
is it possible for the villain to check on flop if he has KK? why would u
rule out KK??
tfcowner
December 20, 2013
have you heard of set mining? if the players stacks are big enough and your
opponent has one of those big hands you could have awesome implied odds,
enough to make your money back for the times you miss if you run it
infinitely
NewSchoolPOKERstrat
December 20, 2013
Although it would be kinda bad depending on stack depth u can’t rule out kk
when fish checks, it’s a c bet if he leads which I think mostly he does w
all but QQ,JJ, and maybe KK. I’ve always bets the rest of his range
including random air
zUnseen
December 21, 2013
if i had kk and a k came out on the flop i would check to get my opponent
in a trap… just saying
Chris Wilson
December 21, 2013
I would think KK or AK is more possible than QQ or JJ with the check.
Although AK and KK, and possibly KQ is in our range, there are about 17
(and probably much more) other hands we could have. The villain should bet
QQ or JJ for information, to see if we have a King. With no draws, if we
call they could assume they’re beat and fold the turn, losing the minimum.
kira-ann smith
December 21, 2013
Continuation bet
Chris Williams
December 21, 2013
It’s very unlikely he has KK checking the nuts on the flop unless he is a
fish thinking he’s trying to trap you, it’s likely he was scared by the K
and has QQ or JJ. Raising UTG and then checking K high flop is very fishy
if he has AA or KK. A good player would continuation bet.
Lucian Irescu
December 21, 2013
c-bet:)
achraf frioui
December 21, 2013
its just impossible dude because u can have any 2 random cards
tiago279
December 21, 2013
the player flop k k k, is slow playing ur 2 2 2 . there was no problem of
str8 or fush in th flop and he just check to induce a bet of u
Joseph Green
December 21, 2013
Continuation bet
achraf frioui
December 21, 2013
lm gonna check my KK 4 sure, if I flop a K in a safe board (u should of
gave more details about the 9 and the 2 and ur self as well) since u just
call the preflop raise then lm gonna check my KK and let u catch up
AAMinge
December 20, 2013bet is obv a cbet.
I have few questions, remarks:
a) why is AKs in our prerange but not AKo?
b) I dont think bad random villains are aware of ur BU flatting range
c) assuming I am wrong with b): why should villain contibet his UTG raise
with KK here? Plz exlain. If villain, as you indirectly argue, is aware of
a wider BU calling range, and he knows that he represents a tight range.
Why should we expect a bet with nuts here? Is flop dry?
d) When you recommend call for setvalue, plz also discuss implieds from
stacks. E.g.: if effective stack is 10bb here, you’d never call for
setvalue
Marianela Henretta
December 20, 2013Great online video. Did you know that usually when you use the actual
marketingcode (psp15562) as soon as signing up at P0kerStars, you have a
100% bonus up to $600?
Harry Jones
December 20, 2013Some people love to slow play their flopped sets, so if he hit kk he might
not bet. Giving up the lead is pretty suspicious, he’e either trapping or
giving up on his hand, and after such a big lead (5xbb) I would be really
worried about kk and ak. I would personally check here and avoid being
check raised, with intention to call on the turn where he might try to
bluff if he has nothing and if he does beat us then we don’t lose quite so
much
surreysteve
December 20, 2013Basic principles OK but thats about it. “Beginners” a) Don’t always 5x
raise with top hands b) “Beginners” have no concept of ‘pot control’ (as
mentioned in video). More likely 5x raises are often used by very average
players to take a pot down with a hand they feel vulnerable eg 22-88 and
AJ. The only weak player here would appear to be the author, putting in
nearly half the pot to go set mining (12%) when a fold is obvious. Surely a
half decent example could have been constructed?
TheUSAHunter
December 20, 2013I love you
Dani Yoksa
December 20, 2013this means NOTHING in online poker, so many donkes and so much riegged
sites u cant read shit
TheUSAHunter
December 20, 2013Answer: 3-bet?
Luke Bodom
December 20, 2013It was a joke, because he’s so talented lol. Like how the commentator said
” only daniel negreanu has access to the players whole cards “. Was said in
that sort of nature.
greenbeanvideos
December 20, 2013it is possible. the dialogue is simply to illustrate what type of thoughts
you want to be having to be a good hand reader.
riedstep
December 20, 2013I think a check there equals kings. At least at 1 2 tables it does.
zennegen1
December 20, 2013depending on the skill level of the player, they might realize that you
might value bet on the flop simply because they have position (this is all
assuming this is heads up play), therefore extracting more value for their
hand.
John Cope-Flanagan
December 20, 2013Not every card, not even remotely close. He can guess the opponents cards
sometimes, he’s good at it, or just really lucky, but it’s probably like
1/100 hands he actually guesses his opponents exact hands.
10lies1stun
December 20, 2013I do this a lot,checking the nuts has offered me way bigger pots,I like
them to re raise Eachother and I will only call,I ll re raise the river or
go all in since I know they won’t fold once they put so many chips in the
pot. After,my bluffs at river will work too since they don’t wanna get the
same bad beat like before.lol
jaredjric
December 20, 2013is it possible for the villain to check on flop if he has KK? why would u
rule out KK??
tfcowner
December 20, 2013have you heard of set mining? if the players stacks are big enough and your
opponent has one of those big hands you could have awesome implied odds,
enough to make your money back for the times you miss if you run it
infinitely
NewSchoolPOKERstrat
December 20, 2013Although it would be kinda bad depending on stack depth u can’t rule out kk
when fish checks, it’s a c bet if he leads which I think mostly he does w
all but QQ,JJ, and maybe KK. I’ve always bets the rest of his range
including random air
zUnseen
December 21, 2013if i had kk and a k came out on the flop i would check to get my opponent
in a trap… just saying
Chris Wilson
December 21, 2013I would think KK or AK is more possible than QQ or JJ with the check.
Although AK and KK, and possibly KQ is in our range, there are about 17
(and probably much more) other hands we could have. The villain should bet
QQ or JJ for information, to see if we have a King. With no draws, if we
call they could assume they’re beat and fold the turn, losing the minimum.
kira-ann smith
December 21, 2013Continuation bet
Chris Williams
December 21, 2013It’s very unlikely he has KK checking the nuts on the flop unless he is a
fish thinking he’s trying to trap you, it’s likely he was scared by the K
and has QQ or JJ. Raising UTG and then checking K high flop is very fishy
if he has AA or KK. A good player would continuation bet.
Lucian Irescu
December 21, 2013c-bet:)
achraf frioui
December 21, 2013its just impossible dude because u can have any 2 random cards
tiago279
December 21, 2013the player flop k k k, is slow playing ur 2 2 2 . there was no problem of
str8 or fush in th flop and he just check to induce a bet of u
Joseph Green
December 21, 2013Continuation bet
achraf frioui
December 21, 2013lm gonna check my KK 4 sure, if I flop a K in a safe board (u should of
gave more details about the 9 and the 2 and ur self as well) since u just
call the preflop raise then lm gonna check my KK and let u catch up